The next session at Creative Places + Spaces is called 'The Art of Creating Beautiful Places' - a panel involving five speakers mainly from Toronto itself. Lance Alexander from the City Manager's Office in Toronto makes a start. He begins by discussing the question of beauty itself - is there a common definition for what a beautiful city is, and therefore how policy and urban development could aim to build one? Architect Mark McClelland suggests that for buildings this is perhaps also a question of age - when they're built they might be in fashion or close to fashion, and fall out of fashion later on; if they survive long enough it may be possible for them to be seen as beautiful, iconic, and timeless - and even historic - again.